[Manifold-l] download problems - still

[Colin Driscoll]

I'm sure that there are all sorts of complicating factors involved. I'm
connected through 1.5gb broadband and it takes a bit more than 5min for the
Manifold download. For a while prior the best available was 128kb ISDN so it
took longer but was still reliable. 

Must just be lucky in my location eh!

Colin Driscoll


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From: manifold-l-bounces at lists.directionsmag.com
[mailto:manifold-l-bounces at lists.directionsmag.com] On Behalf Of SCISOFT
Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 1:26 PM
To: 'Manifold List Server'
Subject: RE: [Manifold-l] download problems - still

Colin, I don't think many people would disbelieve anyone on this list who
says that they have no problems at all with downloads from Manifold. I
believe you!

Fact is that I have frequent problems - and my ISP (iinet) is not the
smallest ISP* in Australia, but even with recent changes to its corporate
shareholdings which has added cross-continent cables that are independent of
Telstra, I can believe that here in the inner suburbs of Perth WA we have
more problems with interrupted delivery than you do in Toronto NSW. 

That is, I think Dimitri Rotow has a point in suspecting that the ISP
sometimes can be 'blamed' for the inability to download large files.

However, as I have pointed out to others, I don't have any problems
downloading files larger that say 5Mb or even 50Mb from a number of other
sources. 

Some of those files come from companies like Microsoft who have the
resources of outsourced servers specifically for downloads (from Akamai), so
the originator end is well set up for such files. 

In that light, though, it's hard to blame my ISP when I never have a problem
with a largeish MS download (and I'm not talking about the specially-managed
downloads from MSDN subscriptions that use the File Transfer Manager client
to download with). 

For those who appear to be experiencing frustration with downloads, I can
suggest (but not recommend, because I have never used it myself) the
moderately-priced utility ($US25 I think - 14-day free trial available)
called "Internet Download Manager v5.05", at this URL
http://www.internetdownloadmanager.com/ 

Just for interest's sake, when I'm in town and very bored I will try this
utility for downloading. I would be interested in the experiences of anyone
else who uses such tools (there are a dozen or so common ones) for large
downloads from 'troublesome websites'. 

* iinet is #2 or #3 I think - but I haven't checked Whirlpool for latest
rankings  

IL Thomas
GeoSciSoft - Perth, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: manifold-l-bounces at lists.directionsmag.com
[mailto:manifold-l-bounces at lists.directionsmag.com] On Behalf Of Colin
Driscoll
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:11 PM
To: 'Kingsley at Synix'; 'Manifold List Server'
Subject: RE: [Manifold-l] download problems - still

Kingsley, 
>From Toronto NSW Australia- I don't have any troubles downloading from
Manifold and having done a lot of beta testing means many many downloads. I
think a couple of times over the last 4 years I have had a corrupted zip
file. I got the recent public beta first time.

Probably no help to you but at least should be said!

Cheers

Colin Driscoll



-----Original Message-----
From: manifold-l-bounces at lists.directionsmag.com
[mailto:manifold-l-bounces at lists.directionsmag.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley at
Synix
Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2006 4:43 PM
To: 'Manifold List Server'
Subject: [Manifold-l] download problems - still

Hi List and Dimitri

Given that you Dimitri doesn't seem to believe there are problems with the
manifold server, i tried yet again and this time got the error message:-

Could not save the file <name> as the source file could not be read.

This is different to the last 5 failures I had - but the source file is not
on my computer
- its on the manifold server. Why could it not be read? A manifold server
problem?????
This attempt was over a month from my last 5 and it can hardly be due to a
corrupt cache.
Once again, you are merely wasting my download quotas as something is badly
broken.
Please send me this on CD - your website is far too unreliable!

As I have said before - I do not have ANY other problem on any other server
I use - not even the microsoft SP2 download of 250Mbyte 2 weeks ago. Worked
first time.

QUESTION: Why does the internet discriminate against only traffic coming
from manifold and not all the other download traffic which works?
ANSWER: It doesn't. It's not the internet doing this - its an unrobust setup
of the manifold server.

Please stop pretending there is no problem. Sure it works sometimes - maybe
if you are all on the same continent. But there are many reasons why FTP
servers fail (too many simultaneously open connections is one that microsoft
themselves acknowledge as a bugfix for VISTA).
Someone needs to check why there are so many complaints and retries. Such
things are very rare on most other download sites, but surprisingly common
on manifold. WHY?

Kingsley Burlinson  Darwin Australia
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