[Manifold-l] New list location?

[Lee Maynus]

A comment upon Mr. Rotow's message.

Every vendor who supports a forum such as this always maintain some sort of
control over thier trademarked product. That is reasonable. It is the
vendor's "baby" and source of income.

That said, Manifold has been wonderful about letting their product get beat
up on from time to time. Most users hate a fourm that amounts to be nothing
better than being a "love fest." As the adage goes, sometimes the best
lessons are the negative ones. Something tells me that Manifold has wisely
used this frank feedback as input towards making their product better with
its various releases.

The issue stated earlier by Mr. Ronning about web surfing tracking by
employers instead of getting e-mails is very real. It is predicted that if
Manifold goes to a web based media, input from corporate based Manifold
advocates will slow to a trickle. Most corporations track surf time spent
by an employee, as the non legitimate use of the media is rife.



> [Original Message]
> From: Dimitri Rotow <dar at manifold.net>
> To: <manifold-l at lists.directionsmag.com>
> Date: 12/19/2006 7:20:45 PM
> Subject: [Manifold-l] New list location?
>
> To change the thread from what it was...
>
> > I don't think it is necessarily one of old dogs having to 
> > learn new tricks but that a specific pattern of use suits 
> > particular people and not others.
> > I am all for both the forum AND an email list that is linked 
> > to it because most of the activity is on the forum. It would 
> > be nice but it is in Manifold.Net's hands and not mine.
> >
>
> We liked the idea of directionsmag.com hosting the list because then it at
> least had a chance to be something that is run by a third party that is
not
> under factory control.
>
> I think at the present time we'd be reluctant to host a list out of
> manifold.net.  There are two main reasons for that:  First, we still like
> the idea of a third party neutral ground.  Second, we have cast our
> corporate lot with the forum, because that has good opportunities for
> connectivity to other things (such as searchable knowledge bases) in a
> structured way.  Anyone at manifold.net who has the time and ability for
> this is going to work on the forum and not on establishing a new list.
>
> Our deal with directionsmag.com was that they could set up a list that
used
> our registered trademark as part of the name if we had some loose control
> over it, that is, to at least have the list be about Manifold System. 
They
> ended up not being able to do some admin tasks (for lack of resources) so
> our webmastering crew took over a small part of it, such as doing some
> moderation requests reviews and the like.  But other than that they run
all
> the infrastructure and the servers.
>
> If someone wants to do a list in some other venue, I'd offer the following
> advice:
>
> 1. Any neutral venue except a Google-hosted venue is fine by us.  For
> example, I think there is the possibility of doing something in Microsoft
or
> Yahoo groups.  Being such total Microsoft nerds we'd obviously prefer
> something Microsoft. :-)
>
> 2. If it uses "Manifold" in the name then we have to have legal control
over
> it with webmaster at manifold.net as the administrator.
>
> As much as I like email lists I think their day is drawing to a close. 
I'm
> coming to believe the right choice is simply to move to the forum and use
> that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dimitri
>
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