[Manifold-l] New list location?

[Simon Greener (SpatialDB Advisor)]

Linus, Dimitri etc,

I vote for a change in service provider.

I personally would like a Google hosted list but I have also set up Yahoo  
Groups lists
as well in the past. But because it is important that the list have the  
manifold name
I respect Manifold's request that they maintain some control AND that it  
not be on Google.

Yes, I would like it linked to the forum activity (thanks Dave B for  
pointing out this is possible),
but I can see Dimitri's point about the benefits of external hosting.  
Maybe we can create an external
list but have the Forum posts cross-feed to it via a digest or direct  
email mechanism?

regards
S
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:19:41 +1100, Linus F Upson III <lupson at cox.net>  
wrote:

> Gee.  The reason I like the list is that I can very easily & efficiently  
> keep the 'good' stuff and make it searchable offline--- by GOOGLE.  I  
> guess Manifold.net has figured that out and that is the reason that my  
> most recent attempt, careful as always, to upgrade to the penultimate  
> version failed. And I'm ruing the thought of even engaging the staff  
> because, frankly, they are a timesink.  Sigh.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dimitri Rotow" <dar at manifold.net>
> To: <manifold-l at lists.directionsmag.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 December, 2006 7:03 PM
> Subject: [Manifold-l] New list location?
>
>
>> To change the thread from what it was...
>>
>>> I don't think it is necessarily one of old dogs having to
>>> learn new tricks but that a specific pattern of use suits
>>> particular people and not others.
>>> I am all for both the forum AND an email list that is linked
>>> to it because most of the activity is on the forum. It would
>>> be nice but it is in Manifold.Net's hands and not mine.
>>>
>>
>> We liked the idea of directionsmag.com hosting the list because then it  
>> at
>> least had a chance to be something that is run by a third party that is  
>> not
>> under factory control.
>>
>> I think at the present time we'd be reluctant to host a list out of
>> manifold.net.  There are two main reasons for that:  First, we still  
>> like
>> the idea of a third party neutral ground.  Second, we have cast our
>> corporate lot with the forum, because that has good opportunities for
>> connectivity to other things (such as searchable knowledge bases) in a
>> structured way.  Anyone at manifold.net who has the time and ability for
>> this is going to work on the forum and not on establishing a new list.
>>
>> Our deal with directionsmag.com was that they could set up a list that  
>> used
>> our registered trademark as part of the name if we had some loose  
>> control
>> over it, that is, to at least have the list be about Manifold System.  
>> They
>> ended up not being able to do some admin tasks (for lack of resources)  
>> so
>> our webmastering crew took over a small part of it, such as doing some
>> moderation requests reviews and the like.  But other than that they run  
>> all
>> the infrastructure and the servers.
>>
>> If someone wants to do a list in some other venue, I'd offer the  
>> following
>> advice:
>>
>> 1. Any neutral venue except a Google-hosted venue is fine by us.  For
>> example, I think there is the possibility of doing something in  
>> Microsoft or
>> Yahoo groups.  Being such total Microsoft nerds we'd obviously prefer
>> something Microsoft. :-)
>>
>> 2. If it uses "Manifold" in the name then we have to have legal control  
>> over
>> it with webmaster at manifold.net as the administrator.
>>
>> As much as I like email lists I think their day is drawing to a close.  
>> I'm
>> coming to believe the right choice is simply to move to the forum and  
>> use
>> that.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dimitri
>>
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