[Manifold-l] New list location?

[Linus F Upson III]

Gee.  The reason I like the list is that I can very easily & efficiently 
keep the 'good' stuff and make it searchable offline--- by GOOGLE.  I guess 
Manifold.net has figured that out and that is the reason that my most recent 
attempt, careful as always, to upgrade to the penultimate version failed. 
And I'm ruing the thought of even engaging the staff because, frankly, they 
are a timesink.  Sigh.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dimitri Rotow" <dar at manifold.net>
To: <manifold-l at lists.directionsmag.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: [Manifold-l] New list location?


> To change the thread from what it was...
>
>> I don't think it is necessarily one of old dogs having to
>> learn new tricks but that a specific pattern of use suits
>> particular people and not others.
>> I am all for both the forum AND an email list that is linked
>> to it because most of the activity is on the forum. It would
>> be nice but it is in Manifold.Net's hands and not mine.
>>
>
> We liked the idea of directionsmag.com hosting the list because then it at
> least had a chance to be something that is run by a third party that is 
> not
> under factory control.
>
> I think at the present time we'd be reluctant to host a list out of
> manifold.net.  There are two main reasons for that:  First, we still like
> the idea of a third party neutral ground.  Second, we have cast our
> corporate lot with the forum, because that has good opportunities for
> connectivity to other things (such as searchable knowledge bases) in a
> structured way.  Anyone at manifold.net who has the time and ability for
> this is going to work on the forum and not on establishing a new list.
>
> Our deal with directionsmag.com was that they could set up a list that 
> used
> our registered trademark as part of the name if we had some loose control
> over it, that is, to at least have the list be about Manifold System. 
> They
> ended up not being able to do some admin tasks (for lack of resources) so
> our webmastering crew took over a small part of it, such as doing some
> moderation requests reviews and the like.  But other than that they run 
> all
> the infrastructure and the servers.
>
> If someone wants to do a list in some other venue, I'd offer the following
> advice:
>
> 1. Any neutral venue except a Google-hosted venue is fine by us.  For
> example, I think there is the possibility of doing something in Microsoft 
> or
> Yahoo groups.  Being such total Microsoft nerds we'd obviously prefer
> something Microsoft. :-)
>
> 2. If it uses "Manifold" in the name then we have to have legal control 
> over
> it with webmaster at manifold.net as the administrator.
>
> As much as I like email lists I think their day is drawing to a close. 
> I'm
> coming to believe the right choice is simply to move to the forum and use
> that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dimitri
>
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