[Manifold-l] New list location?

[James M. Kelly]

One way to please people that like the push of the email list, but
without having to create a new list, may be to include a RSS / Atom feed
on the forum site.  Now I don't profess to know much about this, but I
know that some of the Oracle forums have this feature.

If people are not keen on having the internet open, you can download
offline RSS aggregators, which look very similar to email programs.  You
can have them running in the background, only popping up when a new feed
comes through.  I would imagine the feed to be a brief summary, with a
link, so you would go to the online forum to get the full thread.  An
offline one I used to use is at http://www.sharpreader.net/

For those using Internet Explorer 7.0 or the last few Firefox versions,
feed aggregators are built in.  I think this would be handy regardless,
because I do spend a fair amount of time checking the forum for updated
threads.


Cheers

James Kelly


-----Original Message-----
From: manifold-l-bounces at directionsmedia.net
[mailto:manifold-l-bounces at directionsmedia.net] On Behalf Of Dimitri
Rotow
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:03 AM
To: manifold-l at lists.directionsmag.com
Subject: [Manifold-l] New list location?

To change the thread from what it was...

> I don't think it is necessarily one of old dogs having to 
> learn new tricks but that a specific pattern of use suits 
> particular people and not others.
> I am all for both the forum AND an email list that is linked 
> to it because most of the activity is on the forum. It would 
> be nice but it is in Manifold.Net's hands and not mine.
>

We liked the idea of directionsmag.com hosting the list because then it
at
least had a chance to be something that is run by a third party that is
not
under factory control.

I think at the present time we'd be reluctant to host a list out of
manifold.net.  There are two main reasons for that:  First, we still
like
the idea of a third party neutral ground.  Second, we have cast our
corporate lot with the forum, because that has good opportunities for
connectivity to other things (such as searchable knowledge bases) in a
structured way.  Anyone at manifold.net who has the time and ability for
this is going to work on the forum and not on establishing a new list.

Our deal with directionsmag.com was that they could set up a list that
used
our registered trademark as part of the name if we had some loose
control
over it, that is, to at least have the list be about Manifold System.
They
ended up not being able to do some admin tasks (for lack of resources)
so
our webmastering crew took over a small part of it, such as doing some
moderation requests reviews and the like.  But other than that they run
all
the infrastructure and the servers.

If someone wants to do a list in some other venue, I'd offer the
following
advice:

1. Any neutral venue except a Google-hosted venue is fine by us.  For
example, I think there is the possibility of doing something in
Microsoft or
Yahoo groups.  Being such total Microsoft nerds we'd obviously prefer
something Microsoft. :-)

2. If it uses "Manifold" in the name then we have to have legal control
over
it with webmaster at manifold.net as the administrator.

As much as I like email lists I think their day is drawing to a close.
I'm
coming to believe the right choice is simply to move to the forum and
use
that.

Cheers,

Dimitri

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